Secret Hitler BLUE - 4 RED - 6 Fascists Win!

[GM Franchise]

If the next card to be played is blue we can decline the government 3 times in a row and then the next card up will be played as the policy.

So it would be a blue card possibly, correct?

[GM Eli]

If the next card to be played is blue we can decline the government 3 times in a row and then the next card up will be played as the policy.

So it would be a blue card possibly, correct?

If what Oldfield has told us is the truth, then yes the next card that will be played is blue based off the policy peek he had from the red policy being played during the last government.

[GM Pancho]

This is worrying as I haven't got a good read on who the fascists are. If we were to decline this government could I then name Pancho as the chancellor? That's the only way I can think we'd get our proven combination to ensure a blue gets played?

Wouldn't you want me to be President to guarantee I pass on the blue policy in the case its b/r/r?  That would mean the chancellor elected with me would out themselves hard by doing that.

[GM Eli]

To me the safest play is to just decline three straight governments. There is a risk that Oldfield is fascist and is not telling us the truth, yes. But there is also the risk that you have played us up to this point, Pancho, just as there is that risk with everyone else who has been president so far.

If he's lying, though, we expose a fascist at the cost of one red policy.

If he's telling the truth, we win.

If you, as president, have a government enacted and a red policy passes we get nothing. It would be a question of whether or not you are telling us the truth and your chancellor lied, or you lied and framed your chancellor. Either way, we get no information and leave ourselves in the position of one blue policy left in the deck until the next reshuffle three rounds down the road.

[GM Oldfield]

The info I was told was that the next three policies were a blue and two red. So that's how I interpreted it

[GM Franchise]

To me the safest play is to just decline three straight governments. There is a risk that Oldfield is fascist and is not telling us the truth, yes. But there is also the risk that you have played us up to this point, Pancho, just as there is that risk with everyone else who has been president so far.

If he's lying, though, we expose a fascist at the cost of one red policy.

If he's telling the truth, we win.

If you, as president, have a government enacted and a red policy passes we get nothing. It would be a question of whether or not you are telling us the truth and your chancellor lied, or you lied and framed your chancellor. Either way, we get no information and leave ourselves in the position of one blue policy left in the deck until the next reshuffle three rounds down the road.

I was saying earlier we need to switch up who's chancellor to find out who's lying and who isn't which would've avoided this to begin with. It's a risky gamble to take with the cards but I like to gamble in games like this so the declining plan I do like. Makes it much more exciting than voting for the same two people over and over again.

[GM Pancho]

To me the safest play is to just decline three straight governments. There is a risk that Oldfield is fascist and is not telling us the truth, yes. But there is also the risk that you have played us up to this point, Pancho, just as there is that risk with everyone else who has been president so far.

If he's lying, though, we expose a fascist at the cost of one red policy.

If he's telling the truth, we win.

If you, as president, have a government enacted and a red policy passes we get nothing. It would be a question of whether or not you are telling us the truth and your chancellor lied, or you lied and framed your chancellor. Either way, we get no information and leave ourselves in the position of one blue policy left in the deck until the next reshuffle three rounds down the road.

Dude if playing 3 blue polices [2 of which I was given a red and blue option] isn't enough for you to trust me then you are basing your mistrust on stuff outside the game.

ACTIONS speak louder than words.

I would want to pick Oldfield since he said what the next policies are but he is not eligible.  I am leaning towards selecting Franchise

[GM Eli]

To me the safest play is to just decline three straight governments. There is a risk that Oldfield is fascist and is not telling us the truth, yes. But there is also the risk that you have played us up to this point, Pancho, just as there is that risk with everyone else who has been president so far.

If he's lying, though, we expose a fascist at the cost of one red policy.

If he's telling the truth, we win.

If you, as president, have a government enacted and a red policy passes we get nothing. It would be a question of whether or not you are telling us the truth and your chancellor lied, or you lied and framed your chancellor. Either way, we get no information and leave ourselves in the position of one blue policy left in the deck until the next reshuffle three rounds down the road.

Dude if playing 3 blue polices [2 of which I was given a red and blue option] isn't enough for you to trust me then you are basing your mistrust on stuff outside the game.

ACTIONS speak louder than words.

I would want to pick Oldfield since he said what the next policies are but he is not eligible.  I am leaning towards selecting Franchise

Well that's bogus. If anything I'm doing was based off of something outside of the game there's few other people I WOULD trust.

I don't trust anyone, really. But the safest route to victory is going on the information that Oldfield has provided us for the reasons I've already explained.

I'm going to vote no on any government at this point because of that.

[GM Oldfield]

I'd be happy with franchise. I'm starting to doubt myself with the exact wording but when you see two reds and a blue pop Pancho you'll know I wasn't lying

[GM Fosters]

The way things are panning out I'd only trust myself or Pancho as a chancellor to play the blue policy. I know that as president that Pancho will pass that blue policy on, but I can't be sure it will then not be discarded by a chancellor that isn't one of us.

[GM Franchise]

The way things are panning out I'd only trust myself or Pancho as a chancellor to play the blue policy. I know that as president that Pancho will pass that blue policy on, but I can't be sure it will then not be discarded by a chancellor that isn't one of us.

There's more than two liberals in the game but that trust no one thing I can relate to. However the fact we don't know who isn't helping matters and creating the current atmosphere of paranoia in the game right now.

[GM Pancho]

The way things are panning out I'd only trust myself or Pancho as a chancellor to play the blue policy. I know that as president that Pancho will pass that blue policy on, but I can't be sure it will then not be discarded by a chancellor that isn't one of us.

if you trust me to pass on the blue - and then a red gets played 1 of 2 fascist gets outed.  Half their team.  Plus if I can confirm what Oldfield said it may lend credibility to him.

Not sure why Eli is drawing a line in the sand over this - very odd.

I nominate Franchise as Chancellor

[GM Josh]

I trust Pancho and Franchise, especially Pancho.

vote: yes

[GM Oldfield]

Vote yes

[GM Dougie]

Voting for Pancho/Franchise is underway. We're at 2 yes votes. Deadline for voting phase is 7am EST tomorrow. Talking may also continue

[GM Eli]

Vote: No

Franchise is the liar. He's the only president to have "kept" a blue card in the first deal through the deck meaning he's the one who claimed to have been given a blue but was actually a red.

This is why the count was off.

[GM Fosters]

I'm uneasy with so much riding on it...

it's a no from me

[GM Fosters]

Actually, I trust in Pancho.

unvote

vote yes

[GM Franchise]

Vote: No

Franchise is the liar. He's the only president to have "kept" a blue card in the first deal through the deck meaning he's the one who claimed to have been given a blue but was actually a red.

This is why the count was off.

And you automatically believe the three reds that happened twice? Lol c'mon, man! I told you something was off a long time ago and that's a fact. Also good job with getting everyone all paranoid for no reason when the liberals are about to win the game if a blue policy is passed.

[GM Pancho]

Vote: Yes

[GM Eli]

Vote: No

Franchise is the liar. He's the only president to have "kept" a blue card in the first deal through the deck meaning he's the one who claimed to have been given a blue but was actually a red.

This is why the count was off.

And you automatically believe the three reds that happened twice? Lol c'mon, man! I told you something was off a long time ago and that's a fact. Also good job with getting everyone all paranoid for no reason when the liberals are about to win the game if a blue policy is passed.

All this is white noise. You didn't deny that you lied.

Fosters, trusting Pancho right now doesn't matter. You have to trust the chancellor. If what Oldfield has said is true and Pancho is being truthful, then Franchise is going to get dealt at best a red and a blue.

When the game could have been won simply by declining the governments three straight times.

[GM Lucas]

I nominate myself as chancellor

[GM Dougie]

Government phase commences. No talking please.

[GM Dougie]

The government has met and have enacted a...

Fascist Policy

Talking may now resume but presidency has not yet transferred as there is a presidential power to resolve and its an important one.

PANCHO must choose who the next president is. He can pick anyone but himself. This is a special election so regardless what happens with the next voting phase, order will return to where it was supposed to be. Pancho you may ask me any clarification questions in messages if you wish but you will pick the next president publicly in the game thread. Regular chancellor rules apply therefore Pancho and Franchise are not eligible to be a chancellor. Regular voting rules also apply.

Additional reminder, with 3 fascist policies on the board, the extra win conditions for each team have been unlocked:

If a president with a kill power is able to kill Hitler, Liberals win.
If Hitler is elected chancellor in a government and it receives the 4 yes votes necessary, Fascists win.

[GM Pancho]

Well  Franchise outted himself. Stupid fascist.

[GM Eli]

Smh.

[GM Lucas]

Pancho, let me get the presidency, I'm all liberal and you know I am because I would never proudly announce some shit like that.

[GM Franchise]

Honestly I just picked whatever. My bestie's wife ditched her last week and I just picked whatever. That's on me for picking a random card. I take full blame and I don't blame anyone for thinking I'm scum. I sent in my card like five minutes after I found out and just said pick whatever so again that's on me. Pick a blue card and end this shit. That last one is on me.

[GM Oldfield]

Honestly I just picked whatever. My bestie's wife ditched her last week and I just picked whatever. That's on me for picking a random card. I take full blame and I don't blame anyone for thinking I'm scum. I sent in my card like five minutes after I found out and just said pick whatever so again that's on me. Pick a blue card and end this shit. That last one is on me.

This makes No sense how could you accidentally discard a blue card?

Pancho what was you given?

What are the next steps now?

[GM Fosters]

Fuck sake. So what happens now? Pancho chooses a president and a chancellor?

[GM Eli]

Nothing like giving away a win because "actions speak louder than words" smh. We had this in the bag and threw.

Anyway. Pancho picks the next president. Then he picks a chancellor and we vote.

1 blue, 5 reds left in the deck.

Better hope we pick right. Pick a fascist for president and it's a guaranteed red played and a free kill for them.

Pick Hitler for chancellor and it's game over.

[GM Oldfield]

If we pick a red (Possible chance of having 3 reds) Pancho gets the make the kill anyway

[GM Oldfield]

 Wait I got that wrong. Pancho chooses the President not becomes the President.

[GM Lucas]

If pancho doesn't choose me I'd be hard pressed to think he's fascist.

[GM Eli]

If pancho doesn't choose me I'd be hard pressed to think he's fascist.

Why are you trying to force your presidency so hard when the only play you have to your name is a red policy as president?

What reason would Pancho have for selecting you over Fosters?

[GM Oldfield]

My thoughts exactly seems a little desperate when if your liberal there's no reason to be at this stage

[GM Fosters]

I obviously don't have a say in the next selection, but the way Ed is coming across is a bit worrying

[GM Lucas]

just wanna president to get cards. No resounding ground breaking information to share. I know I'm a ....(sigh) liberal. But take fosters. Nothing against fosters. I feel Eli knows I'm lib, I feel Eli may be facist which is why you are questioning why I want in and creating a false narrative. But there is no big reason except I want cards and I know what I am

[GM Pancho]

Honestly I just picked whatever. My bestie's wife ditched her last week and I just picked whatever. That's on me for picking a random card. I take full blame and I don't blame anyone for thinking I'm scum. I sent in my card like five minutes after I found out and just said pick whatever so again that's on me. Pick a blue card and end this shit. That last one is on me.

LMAO WHAT!?!?!?!?!

Honestly I just picked whatever. My bestie's wife ditched her last week and I just picked whatever. That's on me for picking a random card. I take full blame and I don't blame anyone for thinking I'm scum. I sent in my card like five minutes after I found out and just said pick whatever so again that's on me. Pick a blue card and end this shit. That last one is on me.

This makes No sense how could you accidentally discard a blue card?

Pancho what was you given?

What are the next steps now?

I was given exactly what you said - 2 reds and a blue - discarded the red.

Nothing like giving away a win because "actions speak louder than words" smh. We had this in the bag and threw.

Anyway. Pancho picks the next president. Then he picks a chancellor and we vote.

1 blue, 5 reds left in the deck.

Better hope we pick right. Pick a fascist for president and it's a guaranteed red played and a free kill for them.

Pick Hitler for chancellor and it's game over.

Yeah that one is definitely on me - so I am crowd sourcing - who should be the next President ... if you were elected President who would you select as chancellor.

[GM Eli]

If I was elected President I would choose Fosters as my chancellor. My second choice would be Oldfield.

The fact that Ed thinks I'm fascist now is baffling when I'm the one who pushed for three straight declines to get the blue card played off the top and get us a win lol. The only time I've done anything in favor of the fascists is when Ed left me with no choice but to play a red card as chancellor when he passed 2 on to me.

Literally everything else I've done, kept track of the deck, pointed out that Franchise had lied and STILL had everyone vote for the government with him as chancellor.

At this point outside of Fosters I think I'm the one who has the most evidence to support me being liberal.

[GM Pancho]

If I was elected President I would choose Fosters as my chancellor. My second choice would be Oldfield.

The fact that Ed thinks I'm fascist now is baffling when I'm the one who pushed for three straight declines to get the blue card played off the top and get us a win lol. The only time I've done anything in favor of the fascists is when Ed left me with no choice but to play a red card as chancellor when he passed 2 on to me.

Literally everything else I've done, kept track of the deck, pointed out that Franchise had lied and STILL had everyone vote for the government with him as chancellor.

At this point outside of Fosters I think I'm the one who has the most evidence to support me being liberal.

What made you think it was Franchise discarding the red instead of Ed ... not sure if that was in your original post? Walk me through it again?

[GM Eli]

If I was elected President I would choose Fosters as my chancellor. My second choice would be Oldfield.

The fact that Ed thinks I'm fascist now is baffling when I'm the one who pushed for three straight declines to get the blue card played off the top and get us a win lol. The only time I've done anything in favor of the fascists is when Ed left me with no choice but to play a red card as chancellor when he passed 2 on to me.

Literally everything else I've done, kept track of the deck, pointed out that Franchise had lied and STILL had everyone vote for the government with him as chancellor.

At this point outside of Fosters I think I'm the one who has the most evidence to support me being liberal.

What made you think it was Franchise discarding the red instead of Ed ... not sure if that was in your original post? Walk me through it again?

It comes down to the card count at the end of the final deal through the deck. If everyone had been honest about the cards they were dealt, then the final five cards of the deck before the reshuffle would have all been red. But they weren't. There was an extra blue.

Which means that someone in the game at some point discarded a red card, but told everyone else it was blue.

The rest of the presidents claimed they discarded reds. All of the chancelleor's cards were confirmed by their presidents. Which points to a president claiming they kept/discarded a blue card and passed 2 other cards onto their chancellor, when in reality they had kept a red card.

The only president to have claimed to have kept a blue card and passed two other cards on, was Franchise.

And that is how you explain the discrepancy in the card count at the end of the first deal through the deck. Franchise lied.

[GM Eli]

If I was elected President I would choose Fosters as my chancellor. My second choice would be Oldfield.

The fact that Ed thinks I'm fascist now is baffling when I'm the one who pushed for three straight declines to get the blue card played off the top and get us a win lol. The only time I've done anything in favor of the fascists is when Ed left me with no choice but to play a red card as chancellor when he passed 2 on to me.

Literally everything else I've done, kept track of the deck, pointed out that Franchise had lied and STILL had everyone vote for the government with him as chancellor.

At this point outside of Fosters I think I'm the one who has the most evidence to support me being liberal.

What made you think it was Franchise discarding the red instead of Ed ... not sure if that was in your original post? Walk me through it again?

It comes down to the card count at the end of the final deal through the deck. If everyone had been honest about the cards they were dealt, then the final five cards of the deck before the reshuffle would have all been red. But they weren't. There was an extra blue.

Which means that someone in the game at some point discarded a red card, but told everyone else it was blue.

The rest of the presidents claimed they discarded reds. All of the chancelleor's cards were confirmed by their presidents. Which points to a president claiming they kept/discarded a blue card and passed 2 other cards onto their chancellor, when in reality they had kept a red card.

The only president to have claimed to have kept a blue card and passed two other cards on, was Franchise.

And that is how you explain the discrepancy in the card count at the end of the first deal through the deck. Franchise lied.

**** It comes down to the card count at the end of the FIRST deal through the deck, typo there.

[GM Pancho]

Waiting for others to respond as well

[GM Oldfield]

I'm happy with myself being President or chancellor Or whatever. I'm also happy with fosters, Eli and Pancho. Anyone else is a bit too risky at this stage

[GM Fosters]

I can't believe we've blown a 4-2 lead. I'd be happy to be involved either as president or chancellor. How does it work in terms of a special election, would it revert back to me as president afterwards as I'm meant to be up next?

Realistically I'd agree any government that had at least one of if not two of Pancho, Eli, Oldfield or myself.

I wouldn't accept Franchise or Ed as part of government based on their previous policy play and generally how they've come across with their slots. I'm indifferent to Josh, haven't definitely made up my mind.

[GM Fosters]

*slots should be posts.

[GM Pancho]

I can't believe we've blown a 4-2 lead. I'd be happy to be involved either as president or chancellor. How does it work in terms of a special election, would it revert back to me as president afterwards as I'm meant to be up next?

Realistically I'd agree any government that had at least one of if not two of Pancho, Eli, Oldfield or myself.

I wouldn't accept Franchise or Ed as part of government based on their previous policy play and generally how they've come across with their slots. I'm indifferent to Josh, haven't definitely made up my mind.

I asked the mod this ... if I pick you as President you would have a go at the presidency twice

[GM Fosters]

For that reason I would understand why you wouldn't choose me as president. We've tried to shy away from people being involved in consecutive governments where possible but I would urge you to not choose Franchise or Ed.

[GM Josh]

Franchises claim of picking accidentally is weird, I am aware of the real world stuff going on, but still odd thing to do and definitely don't feel he should be a chancellor. Ed's pick me also screams of fascist to me.

I can state honestly I am a liberal and if I am picked for anything, I would ensure a blue is picked as long as I am provide the choice to do so.