Secret Hitler HITLER ELECTED, FASCISTS WIN!

[GM Dougie]

The Pancho play isn't a bad one. Not necessarily a good one either but looking into the later half of the table is a sound strategy. If truth has been told there are still 4 blues and 7 reds in right now in the deck so even if Franchise was Fascist the next draw could be so many things. The knowledge of someone's alignment at the end of the table when more powerful abilities could be used should a red card get played is very critical.

Truth be told just to share, I would have investigated me. I'm at the end, and I was chancellor once already and was alluded to earlier, all to often a blue gets played first. And I didn't get a chance to prove to you I was liberal because I got 2 blues.

Just my thoughts from inside the tent.

[GM Pancho]

Knowing that wouldn't give us much into his alignment I investigated Gooch.

If I understand that comment correctly, Pancho wanted to test Gooch by giving him a red and a blue to choose from. Since he had no choice but to pass on 2 reds, he used the investigate on him.

Not what I woulda done, but I at least understand his reasoning.

Not a fan of people speaking on behalf of others ... but yes essentially this. You don't trust what I have to say? I also understand that. Don't vote me for another government. But Gooch is a liberal and should definitely be a candidate throughout this game.

[GM Mike Powers]

Where did I say I didn't trust what you have to say? I just said that it wouldn't have been my play, that's all.

[GM Oldfield]

I would have probably looked at the next President but that's just my theory it's all fun and games in hindsight. At least in Gooch we have a person who can be a regular chancellor

[GM Franchise]

I would have probably looked at the next President but that's just my theory it's all fun and games in hindsight. At least in Gooch we have a person who can be a regular chancellor

Unless Gooch is Hitler, they're nothing fascists, and it's all made up. That's another possibility as well.

I nominate Oldfield for Chancellor

[GM Gooch]

Vote:yes

[GM Mike Powers]

Vote Yes

[GM Fosters]

Vote Yes

[GM Dougie]

Vote: Yes

[GM Oldfield]

Vote yes

[GM Eli]

We are in policy phase. No talking please.

[GM Eli]

The government has met and have enacted a...

Liberal Policy

Talking may resume. Kirk is the next president. Franchise and Oldfield are ineligible to become chancellor.

[GM Oldfield]

Was given a red and a blue. Discarded the red

[GM Franchise]

I got 2 reds, 1 blue and discarded a red.

[GM Pancho]

I would have probably looked at the next President but that's just my theory it's all fun and games in hindsight. At least in Gooch we have a person who can be a regular chancellor

Unless Gooch is Hitler, they're nothing fascists, and it's all made up. That's another possibility as well.

I nominate Oldfield for Chancellor

Gooch CANNOT be Hitler unless you say I am lying.

Where did I say I didn't trust what you have to say? I just said that it wouldn't have been my play, that's all.

Sorry if that came across to you. That was more a preemptive  answer to what Franchise just brought up. Gooch should be tested again or if another fascist policy gets passed that person should investigate me ... maybe that will put Franchise or others at ease.

[GM Franchise]

I would have probably looked at the next President but that's just my theory it's all fun and games in hindsight. At least in Gooch we have a person who can be a regular chancellor

Unless Gooch is Hitler, they're nothing fascists, and it's all made up. That's another possibility as well.

I nominate Oldfield for Chancellor

Gooch CANNOT be Hitler unless you say I am lying.

Where did I say I didn't trust what you have to say? I just said that it wouldn't have been my play, that's all.

Sorry if that came across to you. That was more a preemptive  answer to what Franchise just brought up. Gooch should be tested again or if another fascist policy gets passed that person should investigate me ... maybe that will put Franchise or others at ease.

The only reason for you to lie is if you're a fascist. As far as Gooch goes unless proven otherwise both you and him I'm skeptical of both not being liberals going forward.

[GM Dougie]

The catch-22 of the game... it's only when red cards are played that you get the abilities so there's inevitable disbelief in the user.

[GM Josh]

Finally a chance to talk lol you all keep finishing the vote before I can.

The whole red card accident thing was just a joke nothing more. I am inclined to believe Pancho at this point as it would be a stupid thing to lie about. I do definitely see where the suspicion comes from due to the red being played and what better way to get Hitler in quick than by saying Gooch is clear.

With that said I do thinks it's too early to go full paranoia mode

[GM Franchise]

It's never too early especially when everyone's alignments are in question from the start of the game which explains my diatribes about it from earlier in the game.

[GM Kirk]

I'm leaning towards Josh as he apparently gave Doug 2 blues.

[GM Kirk]

I nominate Josh as Chancellor

I'm going to bed soon and nobody objected to the suggestion. If he passes a red policy, I'll investigate Doug.

[GM Oldfield]

Makes sense

Vote yes

[GM Pancho]

Vote: Yes

[GM Mike Powers]

Vote yes

[GM Gooch]

vote: yes

[GM Franchise]

Vote: Yes

[GM Fosters]

vote yes

[GM Dougie]

100% Vote: Yes

[GM Eli]

We are in policy phase. No talking please.

[GM Eli]

The government has met and have enacted a...

Liberal Policy

Talking may resume. Powers is the next president. Kirk and Josh are ineligible to become chancellor.

[GM Mike Powers]

Alright y'all - sell me on why I should choose you.

[GM Pancho]

Alright y'all - sell me on why I should choose you.

I'll always pass a liberal policy. 

The only reason my government passed a fascist policy is because we were given no other options by drawing three reds.

If a fascist policy were to be passed and you had given me a red and blue card - there is a chance that you can a twofer as you would get me confirmed as a fascist plus maybe you are successful with your investigation and hit another player, or hopefully use it on me and get this next result ...

If a liberal policy were to be passed and you had given me a red and blue card - that gives you insight into not just my alignment [though does not confirm it] - but it allows you a second option to gain trust with Gooch also [since my investigation into him coming up liberal would be lended more credence.]

Of course I'm also happy with the choices so far that HAVE passed a liberal policy.  I don't need to be in government to win so roll that beautiful blue policy footage!

[GM Franchise]

Alright y'all - sell me on why I should choose you.

Don't choose me, I don't want it. Kirk, Oldfield, and you are the three players I'm most sold on being liberals. My recommendation would be choosing one of them.

[GM Kirk]

I had two reds and a blue. Gave red and blue to Josh.

[GM Franchise]

I had two reds and a blue. Gave red and blue to Josh.

Yeah Josh is for sure a liberal. Trying to narrow down the list of suspects and this is helping a lot.

[GM Franchise]

I had two reds and a blue. Gave red and blue to Josh.

You, Josh, and Oldfield I'm one hundred percent positive are Liberals going by what I've seen. Leaning that way for Powers too. This presidency will confirm or deny my thinking on that. Just posting this to get my thoughts out there before it goes full crazy in the game.

[GM Dougie]

This would definitely be a telling government. Based on what has been reported by presidents so far, there's only a 10% chance that the next draw would have 3 reds. But also a 30% chance it has 2 blues which if that were to happen, the draw after could be as high as 80% 3 reds. Just some tidbits to keep in mind again assuming everyone has told the truth.

[GM Kirk]

If we could be sure of Powers, Pancho wouldn't be a bad shout for chancellor for investigation reasons. As we know nothing about Powers, I'd rather he didn't pick someone from a red government.

[GM Mike Powers]

I'll make my decision tomorrow morning. Speak now or forever hold your peace.

[GM Mike Powers]

Nominate Oldfield

[GM Oldfield]

Vote yes

I'll say yes but I can also understand if others say no. It's an odd choice given that I'm up to be President yes. Not sure I've convinced enough people  or have that sort of power but I'll gladly give it a go and bring home the blue bacon

[GM Eli]

Voting for Powers/Oldfield

Yes - 1

Voting phase deadline is 10am EST tomorrow. 5 votes are needed for a majority.

[GM Fosters]

This is suspect choice. I won't vote yes for it until Powers explains his reasoning for nominating Oldfield when he's due to be President next.

[GM Pancho]

If we could be sure of Powers, Pancho wouldn't be a bad shout for chancellor for investigation reasons. As we know nothing about Powers, I'd rather he didn't pick someone from a red government.

I can still be a target for investigation should a red policy come up but that's why my pitch was more towards Powers on this as he knows his alignment but the rest of us don't.

And while I agreed with not picking someone from the red government as I don't need to be part of a government to win - picking the next president to be chancellor is a bit odd.

This is suspect choice. I won't vote yes for it until Powers explains his reasoning for nominating Oldfield when he's due to be President next.

I'll wait to share my insight to why Powers would make this choice once he has explained himself.  The floor is his.

[GM Franchise]

This is suspect choice. I won't vote yes for it until Powers explains his reasoning for nominating Oldfield when he's due to be President next.

Vote: Yes

I gave Oldfield one red, one blue when I was president and he picked the blue. I'm voting yes because of that.

[GM Mike Powers]

My reasoning is simple - I fucked up. I posted between meetings at work, and I neglected to check who the next Chancellor was gonna be. Oldfield was a part of a liberal government, so I trusted him and he was on my short list. My ideal choice is Josh, but he's ineligible.

[GM Fosters]

vote no

[GM Franchise]

vote no

This is suspect choice. I won't vote yes for it until Powers explains his reasoning for nominating Oldfield when he's due to be President next.

Vote: Yes

I gave Oldfield one red, one blue when I was president and he picked the blue. I'm voting yes because of that.

Yeah, he picked a blue card over a red card in a previous government. Let's vote no because of that...

[GM Fosters]

Franchise you played a crap game in the last one and are being a gobshite this game to make up for it.

I'm voting no because Powers said himself he made a mistake with nominating Oldfield. Therefore I'd rather vote no in this government and see who Oldfield picks as his chancellor.

[GM Pancho]

Franchise you played a crap game in the last one and are being a gobshite this game to make up for it.

I'm voting no because Powers said himself he made a mistake with nominating Oldfield. Therefore I'd rather vote no in this government and see who Oldfield picks as his chancellor.

Franchise DID win the last game - but mostly because I played the crap game.

Powers says he made a mistake and didn't check.  I could get that.

But there might be an alternative reason to not want to let Oldfield be the next president.  Powers has not been part of a government that passed a blue policy

As Franchise mentioned Oldfield did pick a blue card when given the option.  So I'd rather have Oldfield as president at that point than Powers.

Vote: No