Secret Hitler HITLER ELECTED, FASCISTS WIN!

[GM Eli]

Voting for Fosters/Gooch may now commence

Deadline will be tomorrow at 7pm eastern time. 5 votes are required for a majority.

[GM Fosters]

I'm voting Yes now because I'm likely to not be around tomorrow.

Vote Yes

I will pass two blue policies on to Gooch if I am given the chance to.

[GM Pancho]

I know Gooch is liberal good choice and I think that matters more than him being the next President ... in fact it's an even better idea.

But I want to wait for Douglas and his math probability.

Also for Oldfield to say what he discarded.

[GM Gooch]

I accept the nomination hahaha

Vote:Yes

[GM Mike Powers]

Pancho is liberal. Therefore Gooch is liberal. Therefore vote yes

[GM Dougie]

Need to know the cards oldfield had. This is typically a point where we see a lot of reds

[GM Franchise]

Pancho is liberal. Therefore Gooch is liberal. Therefore vote yes

I was going to gamble and vote yes but...

I accept the nomination hahaha

Vote:Yes

The haha made me rethink it. Gooch, why is this funny to you?

[GM Gooch]

It was funny because I acted like it was an honor to be nominated to such a prestigious position. There isn't any ulterior reason I put that. Just trying to be funny and I find myself laughing alone.

[GM Franchise]

Okay going to think on this one. I'm buzzed at a bar so not voting yet lol. I'm leaning yes right now.

[GM Dougie]

One way to think about this...red here has a high probability regardless of government. Obviously the hope is a blue gets played and we win the game. But as I ponder my vote, I want to operate under the assumption that a red is going to come out and the president is going to pick the next president in that situation.

So how do we feel about Fosters? If we're confident in Gooch, then no voting this government just makes Gooch president next and he would be the one choosing the following president instead of Fosters.

That's the line of thinking I'm using right now. Still can't vote yet because I want to know the card Oldfield discarded.

[GM Pancho]

One way to think about this...red here has a high probability regardless of government. Obviously the hope is a blue gets played and we win the game. But as I ponder my vote, I want to operate under the assumption that a red is going to come out and the president is going to pick the next president in that situation.

So how do we feel about Fosters? If we're confident in Gooch, then no voting this government just makes Gooch president next and he would be the one choosing the following president instead of Fosters.

That's the line of thinking I'm using right now. Still can't vote yet because I want to know the card Oldfield discarded.

Doug and I are in sync about this ... despite Franchise saying we apparently are not on the same side.

[GM Franchise]

One way to think about this...red here has a high probability regardless of government. Obviously the hope is a blue gets played and we win the game. But as I ponder my vote, I want to operate under the assumption that a red is going to come out and the president is going to pick the next president in that situation.

So how do we feel about Fosters? If we're confident in Gooch, then no voting this government just makes Gooch president next and he would be the one choosing the following president instead of Fosters.

That's the line of thinking I'm using right now. Still can't vote yet because I want to know the card Oldfield discarded.

Doug and I are in sync about this ... despite Franchise saying we apparently are not on the same side.

So you're positive you both are liberals? You've been doing an awful lot of buddying up to him the last two voting periods. That's definitely been noticeable.

[GM Pancho]

One way to think about this...red here has a high probability regardless of government. Obviously the hope is a blue gets played and we win the game. But as I ponder my vote, I want to operate under the assumption that a red is going to come out and the president is going to pick the next president in that situation.

So how do we feel about Fosters? If we're confident in Gooch, then no voting this government just makes Gooch president next and he would be the one choosing the following president instead of Fosters.

That's the line of thinking I'm using right now. Still can't vote yet because I want to know the card Oldfield discarded.

Doug and I are in sync about this ... despite Franchise saying we apparently are not on the same side.

So you're positive you both are liberals? You've been doing an awful lot of buddying up to him the last two voting periods. That's definitely been noticeable.

Why are you trying to put words into my mouth? And what kind of question is are you Positive you know you are a liberal? As if I would answer I'm positive about Douglas - but not so sure about myself.

I said we think the same - as in the way we process information.

The only person I've vouched for as 100% liberal is Gooch who I investigated, which is why I guess you put us both on the same side in your example.

You're the one playing divide and conquer and Ironic you say I am buddying up to Doug when you put yourself next to him and Oldfield in "the middle."

[GM Eli]

Voting for Fosters/Gooch

Yes - 3 (Fosters, Gooch, Powers)

Deadline is tonight at 7pm eastern time. 5 votes are required for a majority.

[GM Dougie]

I'm going to vote no because we're running out of time and at this point I don't think Oldfield is going to be on to tell us the card.

Vote: No

[GM Franchise]

One way to think about this...red here has a high probability regardless of government. Obviously the hope is a blue gets played and we win the game. But as I ponder my vote, I want to operate under the assumption that a red is going to come out and the president is going to pick the next president in that situation.

So how do we feel about Fosters? If we're confident in Gooch, then no voting this government just makes Gooch president next and he would be the one choosing the following president instead of Fosters.

That's the line of thinking I'm using right now. Still can't vote yet because I want to know the card Oldfield discarded.

Doug and I are in sync about this ... despite Franchise saying we apparently are not on the same side.

So you're positive you both are liberals? You've been doing an awful lot of buddying up to him the last two voting periods. That's definitely been noticeable.

Why are you trying to put words into my mouth? And what kind of question is are you Positive you know you are a liberal? As if I would answer I'm positive about Douglas - but not so sure about myself.

I said we think the same - as in the way we process information.

The only person I've vouched for as 100% liberal is Gooch who I investigated, which is why I guess you put us both on the same side in your example.

You're the one playing divide and conquer and Ironic you say I am buddying up to Doug when you put yourself next to him and Oldfield in "the middle."

Wrong, you're doing it and you're using me as your scapegoat for it. Doug voted no. I want to see what how you vote since you value his opinion and analysis so much.

[GM Eli]

No Majority was reached by the deadline, therefore the Government fails.

Gooch is now president. Oldfield and Pancho remain ineligible to be chancellor.

[GM Gooch]

I nominate Doug.

[GM Kirk]

Why Doug?

[GM Eli]

Voting for Gooch/Doug may commence.

Deadline is 9am eastern tomorrow. 5 votes are required for a majority.

[GM Dougie]

Even if I am liberal, I still think this is an odd choice given the circumstances of the game. I will say if you choose to vote yes for this government I won't be back to back in government as Gooch would choose any president IF we played a red which I hope not to do.

But I understand if you vote no for this also as aforementioned that I am not personally the right choice here IMO.

[GM Franchise]

Even if I am liberal, I still think this is an odd choice given the circumstances of the game. I will say if you choose to vote yes for this government I won't be back to back in government as Gooch would choose any president IF we played a red which I hope not to do.

But I understand if you vote no for this also as aforementioned that I am not personally the right choice here IMO.

Agreed. You aren't the right choice which is why I'm highly likely to vote no but since would like to hear from Gooch as for the reasoning behind this nomination.

[GM Pancho]

Okay what is it with peoples obsession with picking the next President as chancellor.

Ultimately I'll choose to

Vote:Yes

Because I know Gooch is liberal from investigating him and Doug to me being on the level and logical with his reasoning. The last "card counter" I doubted was Eli and it cost us the game as liberals.

[GM Oldfield]

Sorry about yesterday guys. Pretty busy day.

In terms of Gooch/Doug I have stated how I feel about Doug during this game and have faith in the whole Gooch and Pancho reveal, so gonna Vote yes today

[GM Kirk]

What cards did you have as president?

[GM Dougie]

I'd like Oldfield to answer Kirk since it's been asked before by others (myself included) and I would like to ask Gooch who he would consider for special election president if we vote yes but you handed me 2 reds?

[GM Franchise]

I can wait to vote. I'd like to hear the answers to these questions before placing a vote.

[GM Mike Powers]

I won't be on again before deadline - Gooch is liberal, and I have no reason to distrust Doug right now.

Vote yes

[GM Oldfield]

What cards did you have as president?

Sorry I completely forgot that question. I had two blues and a red. I discarded a blue because I felt I'd find out more about Pancho that way then taking the easy win 

[GM Kirk]

This is tough. I know Gooch was cleared by Pancho and Pancho was cleared by Powers, but I just can't get behind their play or choices. We're likely to get a red and then Gooch chooses the next president.

Vote: Yes

If Gooch is fascist, then Pancho and Powers both have to be as well. That seems like too many in the open, so Gooch is probably alright.

[GM Dougie]

Two situations here:

If both blues Oldfield had were from the original shuffle, then this draw will come from 9 cards where only 1 is blue. That's bad.

Hope is that 2 of the cards in these next 9 are blue because someone lied. Still majority odds suggest we have 3 reds here. And if someone doesn't vote yes and next government possibly fails...I'm not for doing top card with that many reds so I'll just hammer this and pray.

Vote: Yes

[GM Dougie]

Also a thing to remember about clearing people... if a Fascist president got to use the investigation, it does not guarantee a link been him and his chancellor. Pancho "could" be liberal and Powers "could" be Fascist who just so picked someone to clear since he c already knows everyone's alignment (unless he's hitler) the same scenario could be applied to Pancho/Gooch.

It's easy to assume a bad guy could use it to clear their buddy. It's another to use it to hide which has value in this game.

[GM Eli]

We are now in policy phase. No talking please.

[GM Eli]

The government has met and have enacted a...

Fascist Policy

As this was the third red policy that has been played the Special Election ability has been activated. However, because Gooch is no longer able to play due to being away for the next two weeks, I will be searching for an emergency replacement.

If this does not come by this evening, I will randomly choose the next President and the game will continue.

Talking is still restricted until the election ability is resolved.

[GM Eli]

By random draw, Franchise has been elected president and the special election ability has been completed.

Reminder that, after the last red policy played, we are now at a point where the game will end if Hitler is elected as chancellor.

Gooch will continue to be a part of the game until I am able to find a replacement for him. If that replacement comes, said replacement will be informed of the draw that Gooch received during this most recent government.

Talking may resume. Franchise must nominate a chancellor and then voting will commence. 5 votes remains the benchmark for a majority vote. Doug and Gooch (or his replacement) are ineligible to be chancellor.

[GM Franchise]

Okay, I'm going to ask what cards were dealt in the last administration because there's no way that happens without some lying going on.

[GM Oldfield]

Did you not read Doug's breakdown of the cards?

Also, Gooch is out the game so won't be telling you the card breakdown 🤔

[GM Franchise]

Did you not read Doug's breakdown of the cards?

Also, Gooch is out the game so won't be telling you the card breakdown 🤔

Well I don't trust the breakdown because there's clearly lying going on. I've really got to think on who to pick and make the right choice especially with what the score is right now.

[GM Oldfield]

It's also worth baring in mind that if Gooch is liberal we are one team member down making forming a government that little bit harder

[GM Dougie]

I was handed two reds

[GM Pancho]

It's also worth baring in mind that if Gooch is liberal we are one team member down making forming a government that little bit harder

Gooch is definitely a liberal and this is a good point Oldfield.

That being said I don't care who Franchise picks.  I won't support that government even if he picked me.

[GM Franchise]

It's also worth baring in mind that if Gooch is liberal we are one team member down making forming a government that little bit harder

Gooch is definitely a liberal and this is a good point Oldfield.

That being said I don't care who Franchise picks.  I won't support that government even if he picked me.

Okay, "liberal." This line of thinking only helps out the fascists. Why?

It's also worth baring in mind that if Gooch is liberal we are one team member down making forming a government that little bit harder

That's why.

[GM Mike Powers]

It's also worth baring in mind that if Gooch is liberal we are one team member down making forming a government that little bit harder

Gooch is definitely a liberal and this is a good point Oldfield.

That being said I don't care who Franchise picks.  I won't support that government even if he picked me.

You won't support any Franchise govt because....?

[GM Dougie]

Let's be clear once and for all. No one is cleared in this game. There isn't a single player who is definitely liberal because if you're basing it on the fact that you investigated him, that only works if we believe you are liberal.

[GM Kirk]

I think Gooch is likely clear, but my concern is that Gooch is Hitler and Pancho cleared him to signal that he's on the same team. Powers clearing Pancho makes me lean towards trusting Gooch. That doesn't mean I trust Pancho and Powers, though. Pancho could have cleared a liberal for credibility. If we could be sure about Pancho, it would tell us who Gooch or Powers is depending on how he flips.

[GM Dougie]

I think Gooch is likely clear, but my concern is that Gooch is Hitler and Pancho cleared him to signal that he's on the same team. Powers clearing Pancho makes me lean towards trusting Gooch. That doesn't mean I trust Pancho and Powers, though. Pancho could have cleared a liberal for credibility. If we could be sure about Pancho, it would tell us who Gooch or Powers is depending on how he flips.

Thank you for basically repeating what I said over 12 hours ago. Lol

There's two trains of thought here if you want that answer. Pick Powers or Pancho for chancellor and pray the draw isn't 3 reds. That way if they get the option for blue but red comes out then you know he's Fascist and franchise can kill.

This is inherently risky with the Hitler wincon in play as is anyone. So long as someone lied in the first 5 governments there are possibly 2 blues left in the 6 cards upcoming.

[GM Franchise]

Let's be clear once and for all. No one is cleared in this game. There isn't a single player who is definitely liberal because if you're basing it on the fact that you investigated him, that only works if we believe you are liberal.

Exactly. No one is cleared, bottom line.

I am leaning Pancho for the reason Doug stated. Give him a red and a blue to see what happens, kill can be used if a red is chosen. That's my curren line of thinking.

[GM Dougie]

When I said there are possibly 2 blues left, that's on the assumption Gooch didn't discard a blue... which may be unlikely but not impossible.

Franchise, say you do this and you draw 3 reds. Who do you consider killing?

[GM Pancho]

It's also worth baring in mind that if Gooch is liberal we are one team member down making forming a government that little bit harder

Gooch is definitely a liberal and this is a good point Oldfield.

That being said I don't care who Franchise picks.  I won't support that government even if he picked me.

You won't support any Franchise govt because....?

I don't appreciate people putting words in my mouth. 

He's accused me of "buddying up" to Douglas.

Now suddenly he's leaning towards me being chancellor after putting me on one side of the game and with Kirk as an opposite - I suppose this means Kirk is the fascist side as he insinuated earlier. 

BUT

I can admit I might just be letting Franchise get to me.  As a liberal player I shouldn't outright dismiss anything especially when presented with logical sound reasoning -

When I said there are possibly 2 blues left, that's on the assumption Gooch didn't discard a blue... which may be unlikely but not impossible.

Franchise, say you do this and you draw 3 reds. Who do you consider killing?

So I'll wait for this response and hope he provides an explanation along with a name.

[GM Franchise]

When I said there are possibly 2 blues left, that's on the assumption Gooch didn't discard a blue... which may be unlikely but not impossible.

Franchise, say you do this and you draw 3 reds. Who do you consider killing?

Gooch or his replacement because he's the ONLY player who's been in multiple governments that passed red policies. Pancho, Doug, Oldfield, and Powers were on one each. Gooch being on two red governments is extremely suspicious. You can double check that but the should be accurate.